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posted at 8/30/2009 12:07 PM EDT
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I heard the director of my office tell another employee to wear a low-cut shirt to visit a client. This client has made remarks to the director in the past liking the view of her low cut shirt. So she plays on this and asks a fellow employee to wear a low cut shirt to visit this client. The funny thing is that I am the marketer and the other girl should not be visiting clients much less having the director tell her to wear a low cut shirt....so by that fashion I must not be performing my job correctly because I am not exposing myself or using myself as a sex object to get business...and further more she is basically insulting the client in front of her whole office by implying that all someone needs to do to get his business is to show some skin. I'd like to know what HR violations that statement represents..ANY THOUGHTS?
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posted at 8/30/2009 12:39 PM EDT
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No violations of any laws have happened based on what you have stated. It may be distasteful to some or not completely ethical, but it's unlawful.
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posted at 8/30/2009 12:40 PM EDT
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Thanks....just trying to get some feedback!
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posted at 8/30/2009 6:34 PM EDT
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Nork left out the word NOT.
It is NOT unlawful but it would definately be a potential case of sexual harassment.
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posted at 8/30/2009 6:40 PM EDT
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Thanks, howard. Not enough morning coffee when I wrote that.
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posted at 8/31/2009 2:43 AM EDT
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Hi:
I think there would be a legitimate claim of unlawful discrimination on the basis of a person's gender.
I trust this is helpful.
Dave Arnold, Ph.D., J.D.
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posted at 9/3/2009 5:05 AM EDT
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I would concur with Dave. The malke employee could be a "victim" of the hostile environment and the female employee could also.
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posted at 9/3/2009 9:28 AM EDT
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Based on what was written, "could" might well be a stretch. Would appreciate Dave's opinion/learned input on this, but one client and one sales rep doesn't seem to be a pattern of behavior. And the manager "asked", didn't demand, that the rep wear a low cut blouse.
I suppose from a purely technical perspective, there could be a case. But at best I think it'd be a weak one.
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posted at 9/3/2009 9:58 AM EDT
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Nork, think of it this way:
"I am "asking" all females to come to work tomorrow in short skirts and low cut blouses" It is the same thing.
Also remember a single act can, in and of itself, rise to a level of creating a hostile work environment. Certainly suggesting, even offhandedly, that a woman use her body in a suggestive way to gain a sale would meet that definition.
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posted at 9/3/2009 10:21 AM EDT
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Hi:
Additionally, it is arguably discriminatory because the employer is treating females in the workplace differently than males.
Dave Arnold, Ph.D., J.D.
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