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Hi, I am gathering information and documentation for an unemployment claim for an employee we terminated for unsatisfactory performance. The employee is a Purchasing and Inventory Speciali
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Unemployment Claim
posted at 4/25/2013 3:11 PM EDT
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Hi,
I am gathering information and documentation for an unemployment claim for an employee we terminated for unsatisfactory performance. The employee is a Purchasing and Inventory Specialist. She was terminated for over ordering $200K in exces products. I have already submitted to the Texas Workforce her previous written warning from 3/25/2013. In the written warning it discussed her negative attitude, not following the proper procedures, not looking up the proper purchase history so she knows what to order in the furture etc. I also sent in a letter stating what she was terminated for and who her manager was. What other documentation should I submit to the Workforce? They are now asking for documentation or proof of what items she over ordered which I have a spreadsheet from her manager in her file showing this. What other documents should I send in? I have only sent in documentation in regards to this performance issue at hand. I have not submitted previous emails or documentation in regards to her bad behavior that is in the file. Should I send this in also? I did not submit these becuase it was not related to the over ordering issue that she was terminated for. Also what advise or tips do you have in regards to submitting unemployment claims and documentation? What is appropriate to submit? Thanks again for all your help and advise.
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Re: Unemployment Claim
posted at 4/26/2013 9:14 AM EDT
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I'm in TX too. We used to be able to get a fair shake from TWC on UE claims as long as we could make a reasonable case for the termination. Has been much tougher in the last 4 years, even in cases of gross misconduct.
Truisim#1: You generally can't win a job performance cases no matter how terrible. A rep once told me that if the employee can't do the job, then we hired the wrong person or failed to train them properly.
Truisim#2: You stand a better chance of winning a misconduct case, but only if you can document that they acknowledged the rule in writing (ie: handbook acknowledgement), were warned properly and you followed your own disciplinary process.
Truisim#3: While you must have an air-tight chain of documentation leading to the termination, they'll look mostly at the "last-straw" incident.
An HR group I'm in has invited a TWC UE dept. rep to come to our meeting next month and explain what the heck is going on. Good Luck
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Re: Unemployment Claim
posted at 4/26/2013 10:01 AM EDT
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Great thank you, that is some good insight into the Texas system. In your experience, do you feel that just sending in her last written warning, along with the documentation they are requesting is enough? They are requesting I send in a spreadsheet showing her items over ordered. I have alreadys sent in the policy stating they can be terminated for unsatisfactory performance, her signed written warning and a statement explaining what she was terminated for. Thanks
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Re: Unemployment Claim
posted at 4/26/2013 11:02 AM EDT
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If it does not violate a company policy or rule that you can show she was aware of, you will likely lose the case. If she was aware of the rule, that plus a copy of the actual order should be enough.
The more important question is "where are your controls"? It would appear that someone at this level should not be able to order $200,000 of stuff without at least a second signature. If this was a phone order, your vendors should know not to process without a signed order when the amount is greater than XXX.
Also have you considered that she may have some tie in to the vendor and is getting a payment from them? Just sayin'..............................
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Re: Unemployment Claim
posted at 4/26/2013 11:38 AM EDT
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Ok that is what I was afraid of. I will send in what I have on hand and hope for the best. Thanks again everyone!!!!! Very helpful.
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Re: Unemployment Claim
posted at 4/26/2013 2:58 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Unemployment Claim:
Ok that is what I was afraid of. I will send in what I have on hand and hope for the best. Thanks again everyone!!!!! Very helpful. Posted by AshleeHR
Ok and what about the controls issue?
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Re: Unemployment Claim
posted at 4/26/2013 6:14 PM EDT
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They are allowed to order this amount of product. They are to follow a process by looking at the history of past inventory and base their orders off of this.
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Re: Unemployment Claim
posted at 4/26/2013 8:28 PM EDT
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How long has this woman been in your employ? Based on what you have written it does not appear that she has much experience in her current position, but she may have been promoted or transferred from another department. Also, does she have any issues or has she lodged any complaints against her current manager? Has she recently been out on an extended absence? Are the workplace policies she violated equitably enforced? The reason I ask is, given the short amount of time between her "warning" and her termination and the fact that her manager had the time to fully document her shortcomings, but did not have the time to actually monitor her performance it appears that the decision to fire her was actually made on 3/25/2013.
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