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After four years of education with the University of Phoenix, I now hold a masters in business management with a focus on human resources management. In addition, I have two years of experience
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Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?
posted at 1/30/2012 2:37 PM EST
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After four years of education with the University of Phoenix, I now hold a masters in business management with a focus on human resources management. In addition, I have two years of experience as an HR director within the healthcare field, and more than two years of HR and operations management in logistics. The problem is that most organizations want 7-10 years of experience for HR manager positions, and usually only require a bachelor for generalist positions. The hiring criteria these organizations are asking for are creating issues for me because I am underqualified for manager positions, and overqualified for the generalist positions. I value any input for my situation.
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Re: Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?
posted at 1/31/2012 8:59 AM EST
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First congats on obtaining your Masters. Always good to have.
There is no underlying problem.
There are many companies that have lower requriements for an HR Manager than 7-10 years. Of course the pay is lower as well. There are also many organizations that have meaningful roles for more seasoned Hr Generalists reporting to higher level HR Managers.
Keep networking and talking to people and you will find the right fit.
However do not expect companies to give a lot of extra value to the Masters degree. Since so many folks now have Masters degrees and since it is not required for most HR jobs, it does not translate into immediate perceived value.
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Re: Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?
posted at 2/1/2012 2:05 PM EST
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Howard's right, but I'll go a step farther. In some cases an advanced degree can actually work against you when applying for job that doesn't require it. It will become more important as you progress up the ladder, but I know that's little comfort now. While education is important, your years of experience, and the industry its in, will likely be the first thing a potential employer will home-in on.
As posted above, you're not locked out, you just have to find the right match for your skills and experience. You'll of course have an edge in the industries you've already worked in, but I'd think about similar ones where you experience might be considered transmittable. Inventory your secondary skill sets too, these, along with your primary skills, can be the key to getting on the short list for an interview. Good luck
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Re: Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?
posted at 2/7/2012 1:02 PM EST
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Consider taking that Generalist position. Regardless of education, we can all still learn. My experience has shown that, if you are able to stay with an organization, promoting up internally is usually the easier way to go. Then once you have the manager/supervisory experience, it is easier to move to another organization for better pay.
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Re: Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?
posted at 2/7/2012 3:01 PM EST
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I have to agree with bilyeu. Don't overlook the positions for which you feel you're overqualified. Keep in mind that you're in a very competitive field in a high unemployment period. While the master's is great, there are number of people out ther with similar credentials who are job huntin.
Bilyeu's point about moving up being easier once you're in a job is spot on too.
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Re: Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?
posted at 2/7/2012 6:29 PM EST
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While I completely support continuous learning, higher education and professional development activities, I agree that it is possible to become “over-educated” if that is not simultaneously paired with the accumulation of diverse on-the-job experience. For example, if typical HR generalist / manager positions only require a BS, BA, a person with a MA, MS or MBA may be less attractive. That would especially be true if others at that level or above in a particular company don’t also hold advanced degrees. In general, it seems that beyond the baseline education required, higher value tends to be placed on real-world experience over degrees and/or other credentials. Obviously a combination of both is ideal. And, that builds as one progresses to more advanced positions. HR tends to have wide ranging interpretations from one company to another and there is almost never any consistency between job title, compensation and competencies across the industry. A generalist in one place may be expected to perform very senior level work, while an executive in another place may be handling hands-on administrative duties. Rather than focus on an arbitrary number (years of experience) or any particular job title/level, my recommendation is to position yourself as a fit for your desired role(s) by leveraging the depth and breadth of your relevant prior experience. If you already have significant work experience in the field combined with an advanced degree, I suggest tailoring your career marketing package to reflect the blend of information that shows prospective employers how you would contribute to their organization and how you match their business requirements. Hope that helps! KB @TalentTalks
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Re: Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?
posted at 2/8/2012 9:18 AM EST
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In Response to Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?:
After four years of education with the University of Phoenix, I now hold a masters in business management with a focus on human resources management. In addition, I have two years of experience as an HR director within the healthcare field, and more than two years of HR and operations management in logistics. The problem is that most organizations want 7-10 years of experience for HR manager positions, and usually only require a bachelor for generalist positions. The hiring criteria these organizations are asking for are creating issues for me because I am underqualified for manager positions, and overqualified for the generalist positions. I value any input for my situation. Posted by dnewcombe
The trick to being considered as a serious candidate when your qualifications exceed the requirement of the position is to sell the potential employer that this the job you really want, not just a job you'll take (until something better comes along).
I'm sure that my boss probably considered me to be overqualified for my current job when she picked up my resume for the first time. In my cover letter I made my case by stating that this position had the specific job duties I was seeking, the location I wanted and was in an industry where I had prior experience. I went to tell her in the phone screen that while the move might appear to be a back-step in scope of responsibility, it was precisely the level of responsibility I was looking for at this point in my career. I also had to assure them that I was comfortable with the comp level of the position. Good Luck
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Re: Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?
posted at 2/13/2012 11:31 PM EST
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All of the above make good points and I feel the original poster's pain in her job search. I share a similar frustration as my most recent position was HR Manager but as a 1-person department I had no supervisory responsibilities. This has proven to be a deal-breaker for many manager roles I have applied for so I have had to step down my expectations somewhat. I still pursue manager roles if managing others is not indicated as a hard requirement. I am also open to non-manager roles (as long as they will pay my mortgage) but I also try to convince the hiring manager that I would hope for future advancement opportunities internally. This often rules out smaller companies. I try to stress that I can bring added value to the position and absorb additional responsibilities as the role evolves. That I want to be there for the long haul (and I do). I generally don't highlight my masters on my rez unless the job description requests one. A masters is GREAT - and it never expires - but I also found that a S/PHR Cert carries more value with many hiring managers as it represents real-world experience. So I find myself in the same box as the poster and continue to struggle to crack to code and escape. Wish I could be more helpful but good luck.
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Re: Overqualified or underqualified, what is the underlying problem?
posted at 2/14/2012 3:30 PM EST
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I agree with the posts above. When we were recruiting recently, I found most of the junior HR candidates (like Generalist level) had a Master's Degree. To be honest, I think it's a case of over educating yourself at this point in your career. The Master's alone will not get you into an HR Manager role, you need to have the work experience. I agree that a Master's will eventually help you as you grow to the HR Manager level, but right now it's not as important. When hiring for HR Manager roles, the experience is needed, what you learn in master's programs is great, but not as usable in the real world. (Don't we all know that about our Bachelor programs.)
Keep applying at the Generalist level, find a company with a strong HR Department, and you'll be set to grow.
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