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It's a tough time for human resources professionals. HR is going through the largest shift since the old "personnel" days. Functions are being outsourced and some HR professionals aren't sure how to p
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Welcome to the HR Career Forum!
posted at 9/29/2006 11:37 AM EDT
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It's a tough time for human resources professionals. HR is going through the largest shift since the old "personnel" days. Functions are being outsourced and some HR professionals aren't sure how to position themselves internally or handle the problems that may arise when they look for new jobs.
The Five O'Clock Club, the coaching-based, national outplacement firm, is glad to team up with WorkforceHRjobs.com and Workforce Management to help you with your career issues. You need someone to talk things over with--that's the HR Career Forum: a lively conversation that will answer your questions about your career. The Five O'Clock Club has almost 200 career and executive coaches, so if I don't know the answer, one of them will. I founded the Five O'Clock Club and have been its president for 25 years. I have written eight career-related books and am a nationally syndicated newspaper columnist on careers. I have appeared on NBC's Today show, CNN's Larry King Live, CNBC, National Public Radio and CBS, and have been quoted in The Economist, The New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, The Wall Street Journal, Fortune, BusinessWeek and other national media. So ask me anything having to do with your career! Having trouble getting second interviews, or even first ones? Is your boss ignoring your suggestions? Are you being overlooked in your organization? Tell me the specifics and I'll try to help. Kate |
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Welcome to the HR Career Forum!
posted at 9/29/2006 12:25 PM EDT
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So why does it seem that companies don't know what they want?
I interview for positions where the company has said they are absolutely disgusted with current HR leadership only to have the company promote existing HR leadership into the role I am interviewing for to "avoid disruption and controversy". I interview for positions and company leadership state I am the best thing they have ever seen. Then they hire someone they actually state is under qualified and ask me to be a 1099 employee and train this person. I interview for executive positions in Fortune 500's and have the positions put on hold. I am told by people I interview with that they won't hire me because I am more experienced than they and they do not want to be at risk for a well qualified subordinate. That is the state of HR I am experiencing. How does one combat that and stay positive? |
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Welcome to the HR Career Forum!
posted at 10/2/2006 2:30 AM EDT
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From Kate Wendleton
President, The Five OClock Club premier career-coaching and outplacement firm www.FiveOClockClub.com Youre right. Most interviewers dont clearly know what they will want the new person to do. Generally, the job description depends on who will be in the job. Therefore, we suggest job hunters help the hiring manager figure out what the new person should do. If you dont help him or her, another job hunter will. This is called negotiating the job. You are trying to remove all of the companys objections to hiring you (such as having more experience than the hiring manger), as well as all of your objections to working for them. Try to make it work for both of you. (I will email you a PDF of a chapter on this topic from our book, Mastering the Job Interview and Winning the Money Game. Any reader who would also like a PDF of this chapter should email me at kate@fiveoclockclub.com with the words Advanced Interviewing Techniques in the subject line.) Remember that time is your enemy. After you left the meeting, the manager met with someone else, who brought up new issues. Or internal management directed the hiring manger to hire someone internal. Or she says say you are the best person they have ever seen, and she believed it when she said she liked you, but things look different to her now. The manager meets more people and further defines the position, or gets more suggestions from higher-ups. You are not aware of this and remember the great meeting you had. Believe it or not, your goal during the interview is not to get an offer, but to build a relationship with the manager. You are on the managers side, assessing the situation and figuring out how to move the process along so you can continue to help define the job. In addition, you know that you have competition. You have to ask the hiring manager about them. Who else are they considering? How do you stack up against these people? Finally, our research shows that you must have 6 to 10 possibilities in the works at all times because five of those will fall away through no fault of you own the manager decides to hire his bosss cousin, they decide they really need a comp person, or they hire no one at all. Hang in there. Find a job-search buddy someone who is positive and is trying to figure out how the game works and analyze it objectively. Good luck. |
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posted at 1/5/2007 11:48 AM EST
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Its a valid topic,The scenario is always otherwise you hire an employee with out clear and specific JD (Job Description)& he gets a surprise when it comes to performing or meeting expectation...Thanks |
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posted at 5/10/2007 10:12 AM EDT
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Hi Kate,
I tried to reach you by your posted email and it bounced back. I would love to connect with you and get some input on my current situation. Please let me know how to reach you privately. Thanks |
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Welcome to the HR Career Forum!
posted at 5/14/2007 9:04 AM EDT
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I don't know why my email bounced back. I get hundreds a day. Perhaps it was glitch. Why not ask your question on the Workforce website, or just write to me again?
Thanks much, Kate kate@fiveoclockclub.com |
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